tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post9047100753063297146..comments2024-01-10T17:38:08.333-05:00Comments on Elizabeth Burns: No, We Don't All AgreeLiz Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16671844475303001610noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-18291705495390914832010-02-25T19:56:46.740-05:002010-02-25T19:56:46.740-05:00oh, no, i totally know what you meant!
to me, TEN...oh, no, i totally know what you meant!<br /><br />to me, TENDER MORSELS is a great example of how yes, this is offering judgment. and I wonder how much BN realized that going on. <br /><br />have you read the meg cabot/ salon look at how CSM treats ARE YOU THERE GOD ITS ME MARGARET? Fascinating, and makes me wonder all the more the procedure at CSM for being a reviewer, standards, guidelines, etc.Liz Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16671844475303001610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-88243465531365301822010-02-25T19:54:16.584-05:002010-02-25T19:54:16.584-05:00Ooh, I hope you didn't think I said that about...Ooh, I hope you didn't think I said that about TENDER MORSELS. I was quoting CSM, and even though they claim they are not banning/censoring books, they are the ones who said it was not for a child of any age.<br /><br />Just wanted to clarify...Triciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350907653629775293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-78224145004107854752010-02-25T07:22:21.132-05:002010-02-25T07:22:21.132-05:00My prime concern is HOW B&N uses this, not if/...My prime concern is HOW B&N uses this, not if/whether. To have more information in their review section? Fine. <br /><br />However, once BN elevates CSM ratings as they have (and also changes it, as they have), the question of who/what/standards/bias HAS to be asked. What are the standards for reviewers? What is the process for reviewing the reviewers? And no, relying on public comments about CSM reviews ISN'T the answer because then its no longer about CSM's own standards, rules, regulations.<br /><br />I think CSM has sold themselves as "common sense" for all. CSM hasn't said -- but others commmenting about it (comments made to PW, Sassymonkey posts) have said things like "oh, decent parents can use this" and "no reader of TENDER MORSELS would ever say its for a child (ie. someone under 18). <br /><br />That is the thing, isn't it? The us/ them implication (even tho not made by CSM) that decent, caring readers all agree.Liz Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16671844475303001610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-58781536305648006062010-02-25T00:44:38.794-05:002010-02-25T00:44:38.794-05:00This IS troubling, and I'm glad you brought it...This IS troubling, and I'm glad you brought it to our attention. <br /><br />It's the kind of thing I wouldn't feel so weird about if B&N made it clear that this site DOESN'T constitute the sole definitive judgment on age-appropriateness or content evaluation. <br /><br />I hate to sound cynical, but I can't help thinking Common Sense Media must have a really good sales and marketing team...Sarah Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534942492714970282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-56349617314221743032010-02-23T08:59:50.410-05:002010-02-23T08:59:50.410-05:00Liz, this is the first I'm hearing of Common S...Liz, this is the first I'm hearing of Common Sense(?) Media, so thank you for posting.<br /><br />See, I grew up in a family where the bookshelf was open territory. Reading was learning, and it was, if nothing else, a jumping off point for dialogue with my mom. <br /><br />I admit, when I review a YA book, I will often comment on the content if I think it is wildly inappropriate or rightly so. I do this more to prepare parents, not to censor the kids. <br /><br />I'm going to click on the links you've given us...I may come back and comment more. This has me thinking now...Alison/Alison's Book Markshttp://www.alisonsbookmarks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-62533237044976712522010-02-23T00:51:41.052-05:002010-02-23T00:51:41.052-05:00I had no idea about this. I dont use B and N a wh...I had no idea about this. I dont use B and N a whole lot other than the fact they have better book descriptions than Amazon. Otherwise, I am an Amazon girl.Sheila (Bookjourney)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05354184020340930630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-33959893181405613922010-02-22T13:54:49.053-05:002010-02-22T13:54:49.053-05:00Thanks for commenting on this, Liz. I didn't r...Thanks for commenting on this, Liz. I didn't realize B&N was using this service. I was taken aback by the quotes about Tender Morsels that Tricia pulled from the CSM site. Troubling.Scope Noteshttp://100scopenotes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-82874856563103911602010-02-22T09:08:52.480-05:002010-02-22T09:08:52.480-05:00I also find it strange that not all books are rate...I also find it strange that not all books are rated. This makes it look like only books you need to worry about have the CSM rating. How are they choosing which ones to rate? I looked up books like Evermore, Need, Lament and As You Wish and none of them had ratings. <br /><br />It reminds me of Tipper Gore's push to label music back in the 80s. As soon as I saw that sticker telling me it was graphic, I bought it, just for the thrill of listening to something that someone said I shouldn't.Sherrie Petersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11670339498152684137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-13956461898265087582010-02-22T08:28:10.682-05:002010-02-22T08:28:10.682-05:00**Sigh**
Thanks for pointing this out and for sha...**Sigh**<br /><br />Thanks for pointing this out and for sharing SassyMonkey's post. I went and checked out a few myself. I had to laugh when I read some of the points highlighted about The Graveyard Book (adults drink gin, a reference to couples kissing and "roll[ing] about"). <br /><br />I was more interested in what doesn't appear on B&N that is found at the CSM site. I found only one book that actually included text for the Families Can Talk About section, and it wasn't pretty. <br /><br />CSM can talk about not wanting to censor books, but they sure sounded like that's what they wanted for Tender Morsels. Here's what they said.<br /><br /><b>What Parents Need to Know About Tender Morsels</b><br /><br />Parents need to know that this is not by any reasonable standard a book for children of any age. A teen is repeatedly raped by her father, then gang-raped by other teens who are then sodomized. Horrible miscarriages are graphically described. See the advisories for more horrifying details.<br /><br /><b>Families Can Talk About</b><br /><br />Families can talk about why the publishers might have decided to publish this as a young adult book instead of an adult book. Do they hope to make more money? Do they think that any book with children should be sold to children? Why would it have been chosen for so many best-of-year lists? Does its literary quality balance its content? For what ages would you recommend it?<br /><br />I am disappointed in B&N.Triciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350907653629775293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-16349887146842353742010-02-22T00:30:36.815-05:002010-02-22T00:30:36.815-05:00It's rather...interesting... to see just what ...It's rather...interesting... to see just what sets off the "oh noes this book is for older readers" alarm. Check CHAINS and OCTAVIAN NOTHING; check LIPS TOUCH THREE TIMES. Check to see whether any Rainbow/GLBT titles get reviewed at all and how accurate.Liz Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16671844475303001610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12461652.post-8974730231094830302010-02-21T16:39:01.275-05:002010-02-21T16:39:01.275-05:00Good grief.
Thanks for the heads up, Liz.Good grief.<br /><br />Thanks for the heads up, Liz.Color Onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15062017327837729986noreply@blogger.com